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Subject: Re: Germs and their relationship to Diseases
From: Katinka Hesselink
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000

Daniel Caldwell wrote:
> Germs and their relationship to Diseases -
> "As a matter of fact, it is doubtful whether any disease is ever
> communicated to a healthy person by germs; the real causes are auric
> infection as stated
> by Paracelsus, made possible by Karmic weaknesses of the aura and astral
> body of the victim -- weaknesses caused by past misdeeds; introduction
> into the system of putrid or morbid matter of various kinds, including
> vaccines
> and serums; self-indulgence, especially overeating and other bad habits;
> and to no slight degree mental suggestion in the form of dwelling on
> germ infection, fear of diseases inculcated in youth by the medical
> profession, etc." THEOSOPHY, Vol. 12, No. 10, August, 1924 http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/ ImmunizationAndVaccinations/ AlostChapterInScience.html

> Does anyone in the Theosophical community believe the above?

Well, hm, sort of, yes. I do feel that a person who is very strong both karmically and psychologically, who has inner calm and radiant love for all beings, will have an immune system that prevents them from dying before their time. As to getting temporarily ill (cold, flu etc.) that is another story. Since many of the messengers of the White Brotherhood have been ill part or even most of their life, I should think that in many cases the direct cause would be a virus. But whether that is also the deepest cause, I doubt it. The immune system is very linked to the psyche and sometimes one just needs a rest and then the body may well make the rest by getting *ill*. I see our immune system as a defense system that gets continually rebuilt. When we are psychologically strong, there is a lot of rebuilding, and the bullets of viruses and human unkindnesses do no perceptible harm. When we are not psychologically strong the viruses may temporarily overcome the stronghold and get us ill. A virus like HIV is especially good at breaking the immune system. So I would guess it would take a very spiritual life to overcome it. As far as the auric infection goes - when something gets into our system physically, I should think it would also get in our aura's. A bit like the analogy of stone and water. What gets through a stone, also gets through the water. The aura is the less physical, and therefore in a sense easier to penetrate, in my opinion. The aura on the other hand does have a relationship to the mental/emotional health I talked about above.

Thinking about the above, I think I do believe that good karma (and the pure aura caused by that) will protect even from the physical virus. But I do think it would be pretty stupid not to get vaccinated. I mean, why take the risk. It is asking for trouble to ask the forces above the physical to protect more than is absolutely necessary. I am also thinking of Jesus not asking god to let him fly (or some such story). Also the American proverb comes to mind: God helps those who help themselves. In other words- lets do what we can and let fate, or karma or whatever take care of the rest. As for food: to much food, or too much fat and sugar is a load on the organism - can not be used for building or movement, but still has to be dealt with. That costs energy that cannot go into defending against for instance viruses. katinka

> Are proponents of this "theory" suggesting that there would be no danger
> in being injected with the "germs" of lockjaw, or rabies or HIV???
>
> That without an "auric infection" these "germs" are harmless when
> introduced into the human body?

Wed, 22 Nov 2000
Author: Katinka Hesselink
Subject: Re: karma and disease

> From: Kym Smith
> Katinka wrote:
>
> >I do feel that a person who is very strong both
> >karmically and psychologically, who has inner calm and radient love for
> >all beings, will have an imune system that prevents them from dying
> before
> >their time.
Kym:
> Before one can make such a statement, doesn't one have to know a
> person's
> "time" to die? How do you know, regardless of their inner calm and
> radiant
> love, if a person is or is not "dying before their time?"
Well, honestly, of course I do not know. But I have this instinct that
divine love does protect. Which is all I have been trying to say here.
> >I see our immune system as a defense system that gets continually
> rebuilt.
> >When we are psychologically strong, there is a lot of rebuilding, and
> the
> >bullets of virusses and human unkindnesses do no perceptible harm. When
> we
> >are not psychologically strong the virusses may temporarily overcome
> the
> >stronghold and get us ill. A virus like HIV is especially good at
> breaking
> >the immune system. So I would guess it would take a very spiritual life
> to
> >overcome it.
Kym:
> Although I subscribe partly to the idea of mind over body, I cannot
> agree with what the above paragraph is implying.

> It suggests that those who struggle with HIV are somehow lacking in
> their
> spiritual life because, if they were very spiritual, they would have
> overcome it - or, never have gotten it in the first place. In addition,
> the paragraph seems to declare that those who show physical signs
> ("perceptible harm") of attack by viruses, cancer, bacteria, or "human
> unkindness" are exhibiting a mental state which declares that they are
> neither "psychologically strong" nor 'spiritually strong.'
Well, actually, what I was trying to say was that it takes an
exceptionally pure human being to overcome HIV. And since exceptionally
pure human beings are very rare, and since I also think being in this
world and trying to act in it, makes a person have to face many
difficulties that weaken the psychological *armor* so to speak, I feel
that what I have been trying to say is the same as what you are saying.
>
> In contrast, there are those who are quite 'unspiritual' and
> 'psychologically weak' who live robustly into ripe, old age - all the
> while
> causing constant havoc and pain to others via their long years here on
> earth. There are quite a few lifelong unloving and nasty elderly people
> in
> this world with not a crick in their joints.
True, obviously. It seems to me that a strong personality is also an
armor, and then, it may be that lifelong unloving people did have positive
qualities that make them deserve the long life. On the other hand, it may
be that in such a case the long life feels more like a punishment than a
reward to the nasty elderly person (why else be nasty and unloving?). Long
life is not the same as good karma, in my perceptive, in the same way that
having a lot of money is not the same as having good karma.

> Logically, for me, this mind-body argument put forth cannot hold.

Seems to me that you agree with much of what I wrote, but that I did not
put it forwardly clear enough.

Katinka Hesselink